If you know anybody who just can't seem to commit… Or always has 1 foot in & 1 foot out then you're gonna wanna share this episode with them… Kate and I share some pretty wild stories about how we got together, and one of our major breakthroughs was understanding how you could have an "and" life instead of a but life and how commitment can equal freedom, but requires some perspective tweaking.
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Paul Greene 0:05
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that'll do it. Well, well well, this is an exciting day because Kate and I have been talking about doing a podcast together forever. This Kate Austin. Hello, she is my fiancee, my partner. And I'm Paul Green and crime. And we have a really special company together called Freedom Alchemist. And we've there throughout our time together, we just like we have these really cool conversations and, and we've coached a ton of people, Kate has her master's and squeaking there's me. Kate has on the squeak this one speaker, Kate has her master's in NLP and he's a Tony Robbins trained strategic intervention coach. And I am having my Integrative Nutrition degree from i n as well as I used to do men's health fitness covers and went through a journey with my dad who had ALS and so from the longevity and the detoxification side. So together Kate and I actually take people on a journey, a program through with their relationships with their health, their fitness and their mind, the you know, the story that they make up about their life and Kate's really good at helping people identify their upper limit problems, which is we're gonna have a whole podcast on the upper limit problem. It is one of our favorite things to talk about, of how good you're willing to have it. But Kate and I, one of the things when we first got together at the very, very beginning, we have this really ridiculous story that Kate Kate does a much better job of telling. And we were at a conference in their in our, in our mentor was talking about having an and life or about life and many people and he's like who give me some answers or some bots and people like I want to sleep till noon. But I want to make a million
Kate Austin 2:37
dollars. Yeah,
I want to be super fit. But I want to eat the doughnut really
Paul Greene 2:41
does. Yeah, yeah, I want yeah, I want a great sex life. And but I want to look at porn. Yeah, yeah. All these all these things. He came up and I raised my hand like,
Kate Austin 2:54
always, and we're sitting in the front row. And there's maybe I don't know, 200 people there. And and he jumps up any says, I want commitment, but I want freedom. But that was it. But
Paul Greene 3:11
yeah, that was my but. And he's sitting right next to me right now.
Kate Austin 3:16
Really brand new. We were maybe a few months. Yeah. Being together. Yeah. Oh, probably about six months in six months in. Um, and so then he's like, Oh, okay. And he asked a few more people, but he's like, I'm, well, let's
work with you.
So he brings Paul up onto the stage. And they start hashing through what it all means to him. Yeah. And I'm
Paul Greene 3:47
like, yeah, he wanted to dive into what that meant. Yeah. What does? He asked, he started asking me what does? What is? What is freedom?
Kate Austin 3:54
Well, no, that was me that asked you that? Well. So anyway, he's this, this that he did work with you, which was like, he kind of did the groundwork. And then what he got to is like, if you put an end, instead of a but you want freedom, and you want commitment, I can makes it a possibility. It makes it tangible that you can have both right. And so and you probably can, you know, have a fantastic body and eat the doughnut, but there's a way in which you need to like how to balance them out. Right? But if you put in an it's not so it's not so definitive as if it's that or that right, this or that life, and you you're creating possibility in your language and our words truly create our world. Yeah,
Paul Greene 4:43
so your brain goes into action when you goes, like how
Kate Austin 4:47
do I figure that out?
How do I figure that and out? So anyway, um, so it was in front of all these people and he was like, just dishing out sort of relationship there. And luckily, I'm someone that's pretty chill. So I'm like, Okay, here we go. Oh, this is interesting. Anyway was left, like he did a bunch of great work. He's an extraordinary mentor, teacher, and he said, You guys obviously need to have some conversations to talk about. Yeah. So we're driving home. And we were in separate cars, because we had to come separately. And I called him and I was like, so what does commitment mean to you? And when I think I asked what freedom meant, and that was all pretty similar, but when I asked what commitment, it was basically confinement, it was like ball and chain, and
you know, and so at
Paul Greene 5:36
the end of my free, yeah.
Kate Austin 5:39
And I was like, Oh, I'm really sorry, that that's how it occurs for you. You know, I'm like, that sucks. And it has nothing to do with me personally, luckily, I'm someone that doesn't take things personal, it was like all his past coming into our president relationship. And if we were ever going to make it, we would really have to figure that part out,
right. And then so we just kind of like, left it ruminating.
And then he was doing a project at that time
Paul Greene 6:07
for ALS, trying to raise an art show for ALS, which is really successful,
Kate Austin 6:12
and really fantastic, by the way. Um, but when he was doing it, and when he was doing it, he didn't know how to do it. He never done anything like that before. And he had a coach that was helping him through it. And, you know, literally that week, he came back to me so excited after he's been with the coach. And he's like,
Listen, if I just do and commit to what I said, I was gonna do and do that make these calls. And they're like, oh, this stuff
happens. It's like freedom. And I was like, isn't that
interesting? And he
didn't even put the two and two together that the more he committed to this project, the more freedom occurred in the project, and that when the more he committed to Qatar or any
Paul Greene 7:02
scripture, or anything yoga, the more committed to yoga, the more free I was on my body. Yeah.
Kate Austin 7:08
But he couldn't connect it that relationship was the same. Yeah, no, because commitment in a relationship is confinement. So it was like, it's sometimes it's just these little screws of the neurons turning to have you realize what you've collapsed, like the truth you've created has collapsed into a word that now now is like, affecting your entire life. And this is your subconscious running the show, basically.
Paul Greene 7:38
And there's so much power in the words because had I just by shifting it to a one commitment and freedom, then there's a possibility and of the adventure of commitment being freedom as well. Yeah. Depth over distance, like, yeah, so it was just, there's so much power in language like like that.
Kate Austin 7:58
Yeah. And if you think about a relationship that's like, very surfacey and vacuous, there's no freedom in that. It's just like a point, usually, you just want to get away from it, you don't really care about it. Whereas a deep, deep love and a deep understanding and a deep freedom of each other's, you know, space and time, creates so much freedom, like we and luckily for both of us, freedom is our number one Mo. So I'm like, I don't want to take your freedom away, because you might take my freedom away,
Paul Greene 8:29
that kind of freedom junkies,
Kate Austin 8:32
company freedom
Paul Greene 8:34
to somebody. I love that the alchemist part of freedom Alchemist means someone who takes something of lesser value and turns it into greater value, like Jesus was the alchemist, turning water into wine. And we know one thing that this we love doing is helping people alchemize this story that they made up about their past and turning it into their power, which is which is really just a profound language. Because sometimes that hearing that the possibility is that your past can actually be turned into something that your power, just hearing that it's possible.
Kate Austin 9:06
Literally so many people have become millionaires turning their failures and pains into their power. It's like when you've been there and you've experienced the depths of the pain, then you're the best person to understand, you know, to help other people guide through it, things like that. So it really is just understanding our language and understanding how our brain connects to things and how much about past we're just dragging around into our future and unfortunately, relationships cocked up a lot. You know, they really, they really suffer because you're dragging all your old stuff, and they're dragging their old stuff and then you're fighting each other on things that don't even have anything to do with either of you. Right? It's
Paul Greene 9:47
a projection from your past SEC is very, very rarely or when you start a new relationship or you actually even seeing that person because we're you're bringing in I did this with You I brought in so much of my past relationships that when you would behave a certain way, I would make it mean, what it meant when my previous relationship did that same thing. Yeah, just because you're doing it, you could be coming from a totally different place.
Kate Austin 10:16
Yeah. And sometimes it Well, I wasn't even doing it, I was being projected onto that I was doing it.
Paul Greene 10:23
Even worse, even more fun,
Kate Austin 10:25
we would actually get to this point. So I think both of I, it's easy to say both of us are easy to be like cutting around like, Yeah, we were like, doesn't mean anything to us.
Paul Greene 10:38
I broke, we broke up five or six times,
Kate Austin 10:41
four times before we we figured it out.
Paul Greene 10:47
A couple times, we weren't even going out when we broke up.
Kate Austin 10:49
We weren't the whole first four times we were not even together. And when we broke up the fourth time, I'm like, if we have to keep breaking up from something we're not even in like, we should just like wrap this up. Let's just be friends forget about it. Um, but anyway, but
I wanted to bring up one of because we were sort of cut and run type of people. We would get into this place of we would call it Siberia. All attraction was off. And we were just standing
Paul Greene 11:17
there and Boeing shut down like nuclear reactors shut down.
Kate Austin 11:22
Both of us wanted to run
Paul Greene 11:23
no communication, no listening. Yeah, possibility. The thing that's
Kate Austin 11:27
rescued us was naming it. We're like, Oh,
Paul Greene 11:31
we're in South Korea. This is fun.
Kate Austin 11:37
You know, something we teach is if you name something, you can move it right. And it did feel like super Siberia just like desolate nothing. There's beautiful parts of February. It's it's a term of course. We're talking about the desolate parts.
Paul Greene 11:53
The icy tundra bits. If you live in Siberia, no offense. I'm sure it's cold. They're probably like, yeah, it's just no communication. It's freezing here. And so yeah,
Kate Austin 12:03
so we would name that. And one of the games actually one of the games I decided to play because we were getting to a point where Siberia kept popping up. And we're just like, I think as we were growing more into each other, it was scarier about losing our freedom. And we would want to like run more, Siberia would come up more and more and more. And then there was one day, I just made a choice, I was like, I'm gonna do the opposite of what I've ever done before. Because I've had all those experiences, and I didn't end up with what I wanted. And so if I just do the opposite of what I want to do, let's see as a game, and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. Like I'm, I'm easy about that sort of stuff. I wasn't like, this is related to master work. I was like, Okay, let's play this game. And we'll see, you know,
Paul Greene 12:59
deep inside, she really, I would be
Kate Austin 13:04
devastated. Like, the stakes are much higher. Now. Back then I was like, okay, cool. Um,
but so what I did was, I said that every time I want to run, or I'm like, I don't care. I'm out. Like,
Paul Greene 13:21
I don't mean, do the opposite. You know,
Kate Austin 13:23
I would lean in, I would lean into the pain, I would lean into potentially being vulnerable, being hurt, all that sort of stuff, I would just lean in. And you know, I'm a fiery, feisty Ozzy, which
Paul Greene 13:37
we've certainly why do you want to call this from my perspective, this whole podcast is from like his case, and we're so different. Yet we're so compatible, which is like, you know, a big thing I think in relationships if you're some people or you want to be with the person that's exactly like them, but I think you would get quite bored. From my perspective is is a communication tool that we use, we teach we teach but but like everything in your life and your life is happening, just from your perspective, the exact person next to you could go through that and their experience would be totally different. Yeah,
Kate Austin 14:17
same Exactly. With a news report is that a tragic events they go and ask people what happened and stories is so different because to one person it was the most dramatic thing they have a sort of one person nightmare. Yeah, depending on their level of how they're able to absorb the those sorts of scenes, right. So yeah, so from my perspective, from a fiery feisty Ozzy and a super nice Canadian yeah
Paul Greene 14:48
it's true where the Kate like it's so interesting in relationship because Kate, like enjoys a good debate like the good like a good go. Come on, come
Kate Austin 14:58
on. Like let's go at it. Let's
go I want to hear I want you to passionately tell me why you believe in this or what? And because I'm coming in all passion and then
yeah, with the Canadian is it's like you're being steam.
Paul Greene 15:10
Yeah, well, it's, it's, it's, it's something's wrong if there's a fight or if there's like a debate, I'm just like, finding peace. And calm is has always been my MO and sometimes to do that you just shut down and keep it real quiet. So that at least is quiet. It's clean a lot, right? I wonder if any other guys do that if there's a fight, just get busy and start cleaning. Like it's kind of my it's unfair. I'm a little better at it. It's true. She can be with it. I can I can.
Kate Austin 15:42
You know, we've been together nine years. So eight years. So it's taken a minute, but
we're there. And also, we've also led a lot of programs together like this. And Aziz just come all in all over top of each other. Oh, yeah. It's just like a thing. I
Paul Greene 15:59
get a word in it. Sometimes after we've done a coaching, I was like, that was great. I was just like, Yep. Good. He's
Kate Austin 16:08
like, I'm not be there. I'm
Paul Greene 16:10
an actor.
Kate Austin 16:11
I'm not saying anything you're saying. So anyway, so we've had to navigate these waters. I just learned I gotta step on it. Yeah, just I was like, just jump on it. And I'm like jumping in. Because I'm excited. You just jump back on them unto me. And he didn't ever truly
get it until literally, like a month ago, we went out on a dinner with a bunch of my, actually, my Ozzy buddies. Yeah. And he was just like,
Whoa, oh, my god, everyone was like just screaming on top of each other. So excited, like went but we can all understand each other. We're used to that. That's just how we communicate.
Paul Greene 16:47
I saw that was in Italy, like with Italian families, and they're yelling, I thought they were fighting, I meant to be in Italy. She wants to live. Anyway,
Kate Austin 16:57
so one of the reversing back to where we were, one of the things that I did was I made a choice and a commitment to do the opposite of what I was gonna do. And so and so and actually, what it did was disrupt our entire relationship from the beginning of our relationship, because there was one time, and I think this is really common and relationships, you've been together for about eight, eight or nine months was somewhere around there. And then some of my start picking at the other person, like, oh, I don't like the way you do that, or I don't like this or something like that. And Paul, you know, he's Canadian. So he was probably being nice ish about it. But he was still it was about to go down that train, because it's maybe some of his past coming into our relationship again. So he picked it something I can't even remember what it was. And it was like, everything came up for me wanting to defend myself, or run. And instead what I did, I was like,
Well, I wouldn't change a single thing about you. And I did it like that intense. But like, those were my words. And it was like, jarring for Paul. It was just like,
yeah, like a rain scramble. Right?
Paul Greene 18:15
Yeah. I was getting nitpicky about something silly. And yeah. And you're like, I wouldn't change anything about you.
Kate Austin 18:28
And you know what he to this day says it to me all the time, I wouldn't change a single thing about you. And we managed to never ever get into nitpicking about each other. Like that. stopped it in its tracks so early in our relationship. And we've never made a we just don't pick up one
Paul Greene 18:47
of the keys to our success. I mean, night, there's people with me, nine years in Hollywood is like 35 years. We live in California in Los Angeles. But yeah, maybe that might be you know, one of the keys to I just had that epiphany because we don't focus on the little bits that are annoying, or whatever. And it's like,
Kate Austin 19:07
we focus on the positives. It's like, we're both big contributors in different aspects. Like that's a whole nother podcast. We'll go into that one too. Yeah. But if you can focus on what they're great at and encourage that. It doesn't you can be with the little you can be with the small stuff this man. I mean, let me tell you, Paul is a hurricane. He goes into the kitchen and in his life. But you know what, my mom was kind of the same way. So I have already like, that might have triggered some people. But for me, I was like, Oh, I'm used to just close all the cupboards and put things away on my cupboards. So it's like but and that might really upset someone but I'm like, well, he's so wonderful. This this this this this or why would I get upset about this little thing? Like, it's like, yeah, all the million wonderful things, why get upset about the little things and people start sweating a little thing
Paul Greene 20:09
do you make good I do make good food. Much more, you said the word focus. And I really do think that the beginning of a relationship you're in love most people are so googly eyes that they are only focused on the things that are like amazing and lovely. And those other things are still there. But the focus there, they're just the beginning focused on all the things that they like and love and enjoy and appreciate. And then as time goes on, the humdrum comes in, and you start to get caught in the minutia and paying bills and all that, and dishes and laundry, and then you start to focus on the socks on the floor. And you're like, and they've always been there, the, the socks didn't just all of a sudden one day start being that they've always been there. But your focus goes off of all the things that you love and appreciate. And you start going like they left their socks there again. And all their good stuff is probably still there too. But you're actually you can only focus on one thing at once. And so it's such a beautiful thing to catch into know that if you're starting to get really frustrated with your partner, it's a good chance you're just focusing on the stuff that you don't want more of and you do you get more of what you focus on. Yeah, and so focus on the all the good things and praise them for all the good things they're doing, acknowledge them for all the good things are doing, and make that grow rather than acknowledge all the things like the socks on the floor, because that'll grow.
Kate Austin 21:42
thing to do. I mean, we've helped so many people repair, really long marriages that were lost all the love, we truly believe that any relationship can be restored that show love and affinity we really believe that doesn't mean it's not work doesn't mean you, you gotta like get over a bunch of your ego and a bunch of things. It's a bunch of steps to it, that you really can and just like a gratitude journal can help you start looking at what's good in your life, rather than what's bad. We always say something I love is we will say is if you're gonna compare up like, Oh, why did the Kardashians millionaires and, you know, why don't I have all of that you need to compare down? Oh, I'm not homeless, and I'm not struggling to find my next meal and all of that. So you need to like we always say if you're going to compare up compare down because
Paul Greene 22:34
the Kardashians usually that would be the compare down party.
Kate Austin 22:39
Be a Millionaire like, you know they are right.
Paul Greene 22:41
Well, yeah, all of her. My son, my 19 year old had that epiphany. He's like, he realized he was comparing himself to where he was at with other 19 year old entrepreneurs. And then he realized one day he's like, Well, if I'm gonna compare up, I gotta compare down as well and be like, well, look how far ahead I have, you know, I have this accomplishment of that accomplishment, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was able to go especially with his fitness to in his I think he was doing a comparison with his
Kate Austin 23:07
body. And I feel so sorry for kids these days. It's like, so socially, like competing with your school or your college or whatever. And now you're competing with the whole world. And everyone's like, the hottest, the smartest, the brightest. Like, everyone's just looking at them. They're not going Oh, who's this sort of dweeby cool person that has like five followers. I'm gonna, you know, like, they're not looking at that person. You know?
Paul Greene 23:34
Yeah. Well, I just talked to Oliver about that today. And I was like, Do you think because he had mentioned he shared with something he was having some symptoms of anxiety and depression last week, when things were just kind of like all at once and, and I said to him, instead of trying to fix it, I said, Do you think it's possible with social media for kids your age to not experience some level of anxiety and some level of depression based on that and he's like, maybe he's like, there are a few channels that he listed a few channels that he gets a lot of inspiration from, like David Goggins and a few other ones goal cast and a few that he likes freedom Alchemist. But yeah, it would be so challenging and then you're if you're start liking you know, divisive things or conspiracy theory things on your algorithm you're just gonna keep getting fed more of that and before you know it you're in just this vacuum of information and you're in your it would be really challenging Yeah,
Kate Austin 24:31
if you're trying to if you as a kid thinking about the problems of the world it can become overwhelming for sure.
Paul Greene 24:36
Yeah. Well, that's the power of n and life and life and so for you if you this, you know, you know what, we never came back to what
Kate Austin 24:46
to commitment equals freedom.
We haven't there's one more part to that story. So I'm so in 2019. Oh,
Paul Greene 24:59
man. This is why you gotta tell the story.
Kate Austin 25:02
In 2019 we were in Italy for one of my friend's weddings. And we were touring around doing all sorts of things. And it had been truly a comedy of errors because there was so many things that we're trying to defang,
like the moment like
I got a toothache and we had to go they don't know what the moment is, well, I'm gonna tell them but anyway, um, just know that it was like a comedy of errors every time and you can tell some of them that like he was trying to do it. But Paul proposed to me in Madera that third oldest living city in the world 9000 years Yeah,
Paul Greene 25:45
Matera ma TT. It's the
Kate Austin 25:51
wine you could be poor or this. The Dara Matera
Paul Greene 25:57
shot Wonder Woman there and I think some scenes from James Bond and a few beautiful.
Kate Austin 26:00
Anyway, he proposed there. And when he pulled out the ring, he said, I'm ready for some more freedom. And
Paul Greene 26:12
I think I prefaced it and said, you know, how we've been babbling on how commitment equals freedom and I said, I'm ready for some more freedom. Yeah. And then she didn't remember though. She started laughing and fell to the floor. I was on my knees. And I tried to film it but the camera didn't work. He went to three restaurants and every vibe was like there's kids on iPads. This isn't this isn't gonna
Kate Austin 26:37
do it. We did this walk of the gods that he'd been trying to do it for days and days. I just trying to find the right moment. And I'm bout to do it not to do and I've never done this in my life. But we'll take it's a it's a hike in miles.
Paul Greene 26:53
Cool, ya know, above what's that place called
Kate Austin 26:55
fatahna. And out of nowhere, I looked down my my Oh, my fingers are off rolling
that in my life. He was there with his ring ready to go knocking.
Paul Greene 27:13
And then I waited about an hour and I and I lost all sense of reason. Because I was so hungry. And I was about to propose again. And then a bucket load of German or Japanese tourists just came around the corner, all wearing like the same colored jumper and I was like, Oh, no. Not like this. So then we waited after it was like the whole thing was there too thick and around? Yeah, there was and I was carrying this ring in my pocket the whole time. Which the way we got the ring. That's a really special story. Another time another
Kate Austin 27:47
time. But yeah, so So from from this rocky start of commitment being combined with confinement? Yeah. Prison really foul. Yeah, I mean, it's truly was like prison. I'm really like the death of all fun and freedom. So how would any relationship survive under that?
Paul Greene 28:10
guys watching this, you're gonna know what I mean? Like, there's gonna be some dudes that would be like, if I commit to this woman, it could be the end of my freedom. And it's like, it takes two people to really care that the other person still gets experienced freedom for this to work. It's not. You don't like you know, I'm saying like, there's gonna be a lot of guys out there that are gonna be able to relate to my story. And all I'm saying is just by first changing the phrasing from I want I want freedom. I want commitment. But I want freedom to I want commitment. And I want freedom the brain didn't just starts to find ways so you can have the best of both worlds. Right? Yeah, that's the courtroom. Yes,
Kate Austin 28:50
I did a ton of work like it was and you know,
Paul Greene 28:54
it just dropped but from your life. Yeah. always catch yourself every time out of your life. Yeah, to your face, get your butt out of your mouth, every time you say but stop yourself and just switch it to an end and just watch what I do
Kate Austin 29:06
all the time in emails. If I if I'm writing something and I put but I delete could end Yes, really. It's just a really cool way of just shifting it all the time. And I catch myself all the time if I say but and catch myself all the time. So just try this is one very fast tool technique that can actually shift a lot in your life it actually can create a lot of possibility in your life. So play with it, play enjoy it, enjoy it. And we should wrap up because we will we will talk forever
Paul Greene 29:42
No no I love this is a great place to end. And so Kate and I this is our very first episode so if you could do us a solid here. This will be on Apple iTunes, if you could rate review it and then give us a rating. Five Star of course. And if you could share it with somebody who you think might be down with this, and then if you're watching this, also on our YouTube channel, if you would subscribe. And again, if you feel like sharing this, that would be super dope. We are, we have a website called Freedom dash alchemist.com. And you can look there for a bunch of goodies.
Kate Austin 30:19
Anyway, I want to recap exactly a couple of the tools that we shared on here. So obviously, changing about to an end is one disrupting in a relationship, the nitpicking by doing something like that, just
Paul Greene 30:34
say, do the opposite.
Kate Austin 30:36
Or play a game with yourself what was if your relationships are not working, then challenge yourself to do the exact opposite of what you would want to do to see what the outcome is just, you know, this,
this life
is a game everyone takes it so seriously series of games. It's a game and we can either play it really intensely like attacking everyone. Or we can have we can have freedom and flow with it and see like if we can get in flow state, and then win that way. So just just play, play, try new things. Test it out. Just see how it goes. If here's the great thing most of the time doesn't work out. You just do the other other way. That's it.
i Yeah, if something's not
working for you stop trying to do the same thing over
Paul Greene 31:30
and over again. That's right. I read that you said that. You said that Game of Life is a game there's a book called The Game of Life and how to play it by Florence Scovel Shinn that that has some really amazing digger trenches that's how that's why we have a little boy right down because he thought that silly diaper changing back quick story. In this we're wrapping up this work, it's we're ending with a story in the book, The Game of Life and how to play that she talks about digging your ditches, which is like there was some prophets in the Bible and it never it hadn't rained and God told them to dig ditches to prepare for be like building Noah's Ark but dig some ditches. People thought that they were creating might have been a legend or something and they were digging these ditches and there was no rain and everyone's like Why are you digging ditches? Is it because God promised rain? And so when we're talking about having a baby Kate bought this ridiculous backpack thing
Kate Austin 32:25
opens up to being in a change table
Paul Greene 32:28
a diaper change table but this is before we get pregnant this is way
Kate Austin 32:31
before
and I was digging
even try it I don't know I was just like this thing is cool. And
I will give it to if we didn't we use it.
Yeah, and
Paul Greene 32:44
we've dug our ditches and we have a little 14 month old all because of that bag all because acting as if like so whatever you want just act as if it's already going to happen and then then then you prepare all the ways for it to happen. Right? Why is that bag that color? And then the bumbag you got to that thing that isn't the same as like What's with you in that black and gold color? Because talking about Kardashians anyway awesome thanks for stopping by and we'll see you on the next one yeah all right. Bye from from my perspective
right gonna sing the song
from my perspective
Kate Austin 34:42
Hey